ALICJA
KUBERSKA: What does poetry mean to you?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: Poetry for me is the outpouring of my
innermost feelings, my anger, angst, anguish, my small joys, my big
disappointments. Poetry is therapeutic, cathartic and rejuvenating for me. It
is that itching in the fingertips, which can stop only when the fingers jab away at the keyboard, in a spontaneous
outpouring. It is that restlessness in
the heart which follows the witnessing of a poignant scene. The rustling of the leaves, the feisty
balloons cruising merrily in the sky, the moon peeping through a thick canopy
of clouds, the happy chortle of a child, a mother’s relief when her lullaby has
put her child to sleep,a spunky child chasing a runaway kite can send me into a
poetic tizzy. Poetry is something which
elevates me, and infuses new life in me when I am feeling down in the dumps.
ALICJA
KUBERSKA: What’s according to you the meaning of poetry in the
contemporary world?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: Everything evolves, so does poetry. Poets have
started experimenting with newer forms. Poetry in the contemporary world has
undergone many changes. Blank verse has become the norm, and rhymed poetry is
often frowned upon. But, for me, the inherent rhythm and lyricism in poetry continues
to be important, no matter what others believe.
ALICJA
KUBERSKA: Can you describe
your creative process while writing a new poem?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: Well, whenever I write a poem, it is my heart
that propels me onwards; it is as if I am pouring out my heart on paper. There
is no creative process as such, I just put my fingers on the keyboard and the
thoughts flow – just like that! I merely have a vague idea what I want to write
about, and the words suddenly appear, and I love making them do my bidding. But
sometimes, the words are like audacious rabbits, skittering out of reach, so
getting hold of them becomes quite a difficult task. Often, a particular scene goes straight to
my heart, and I whip out my notebook, which I always keep handy, and
immediately jot down my thoughts. The following poem was written while I was in
the car, caught in a traffic jam.
The Invisibles
[This poem now appears in Muffled Moans
Unleashed: An anthology on child abuse / gender violence, compiled and edited
by me and Lopamudra Banerjee, Authors press, India, 2018]
“Just
under an overbridge,
the invisible underbelly throbbed, bobbing up
and down,
robbed of every vestige of dignity. [Hats off
to their tenacity!]
Surviving
on the leftovers hurled from the five-star hotels.
Below it, homeless people had found a home,
[Hail serendipity!]
where
they lay, cheek by jowl.
A pup and a cat cuddled each other
[Taking a leaf from poverty and opulence]
next
to a beggar with an empty begging bowl.
Sad
hearts hiding their bruises and scars
under the cover of night; a benediction.
Learning
to cope with life; an infliction!
One
skeletal leg flung over another,
one
emaciated arm thrown over his brother.
The invisibles slept; condemned and forsaken.
Unseeing
eyes chasing dreams, unborn.
Waiting for the stirrings of some elusive dawn.’
ALICJA KUBERSKA: Did it happen to you that a poem was just
your dream?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: Many are the times I have poured the contents
of my roseate dreams into my poetry, and often nightmares have plagued me,
which have also found their way into my poems. Sometimes, I have had a
nightmare, where I have found myself being stalked by death and on getting up,
I have put it on paper.
ALICJA
KUBERSKA: Tell us about your inspiration. What’re the most important
subjects to you?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: Well, I have always been inspired by
nature. I love going for morning walks,
and the beautiful scenes that I witness during this time, when even the sun is
feeling too lazy to yank away the cover of night, the early morning chirping of
birds, the frolicsome pups, all provide me food for thought. But, I am also plagued by the al- pervasive
injustice and unfairness, poverty and, child abuse and blatant discrimination,
and this has also found expression in my poems.
MARIA
MIRAGLIA: Which were the
emotions that inspired your first verses?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: My first verse in the sixth standard was
inspired by just the thought of being able to write a poem – so the first poem
that I wrote was about a haunted fort. But, later on as a mature adult, my
verses were inspired by nature, especially the River Lidder in my homeland,
Kashmir. The emotions of loss, longing
and reclamation were uppermost in my verses.
MARIA
MIRAGLIA: Was your aspiration to become a poet or did all happen by
chance?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: I never aspired to become a poet, but when I
was in the sixth standard, I was overawed by a newcomer to the class, who used
to say that she was a poet , I too tried my hand at poetry , but , I knew , I
was a total disaster ! But, at that stage, I started writing limericks, which
became quite a hit with my school friends.
After school, I wrote only in sporadic outbursts. Later, with the coming
of Facebook, I started writing poems on Facebook, which were appreciated and
this enthused me into writing more and more. In the year
2014, I received the first Reuel International Award for excellence in writing
and literature for my hundred page poem, Oh Hark! Instituted by the
internationally acclaimed academician- poet- critic – Pushcart nominee, Dr
Ampat Koshy [The Significant league], and I started being acknowledged as a
poet. In the year, 2015, my poetic biography of Mahatma Gandhi, Ballad of Bapu
[Vitasta Publishers, Delhi] was published, and the international acclaim that
it received was indeed very encouraging.
Now, there was no looking back.
MARIA
MIRAGLIA: Who is the first
person you read your poems to and why?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: The first person that I read my poem to, is my
husband, who, has also been a student of literature, and is steeped in romantic
sensibilities, or to my daughter, if she is around. A post- graduate in English
Literature, she has a very keen literary sense, and has a very good grasp of
post- modernism. So between the two of them,
I find my balance.
“Get over your hangover of romanticism, the times they are a changin’”, she
quips.
“Never lose that romantic flavour. Write what you feel most comfortable in.”
That is my husband’s perennial refrain.
So, I continue to stick to my romanticism, unfazed by the demands of the
changing times, and am content to be a square peg in the post- modern world.
MARIA
MIRAGLIA: Have you published
any poetic anthology, if so what did you feel the first time you got it in your
hands?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA:As I mentioned earlier , In 2015 , my poetic
biography of Mahatma Gandhi , Ballad of Bapu was published[ Vitasta, Delhi ]
and I also have I have two collections
of poetry, Where are the lilacs? [2016, Authors press, Delhi] and Under the
Apple Boughs [2017, Authors press, Delhi]; the first is a collection of 101
poems on peace, and the other is an anthology with four sections 1Memory Shards
2 Crippled rhyme 3 Nature sings a symphony 4 OAfrica [a result of my five day
trip to Accra, Ghana in May 2016 as a delegate of Pentasi B World Friendship
Poetry] When these books came into my hands, I was initially very apprehensive,
afraid of any typing errors or printer’s Devil that might have inadvertently
crept it, so it was with a heavily palpitating heart, a dry tongue and quivering
hands that I flipped over the pages.WhenI realised, that the books had been
beautifully produced, I was as happy as a child, and kept the books on my table
for many a day, every now and then, flipping over the pages and reading a poem
or two.
MARIA MIRAGLIA: Who are the poets you prefer reading? Do you
get inspiration from them?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: There is no dearth of poets who inspire me and
every poet has a distinct voice and a particular way of prodding me on. I have always been a romantic at heart, and
sometimes my friends ask me to rise above my romantic leanings. But, my poems
tend to inadvertently get influenced by the Romantics. Besides Shelly,Keats,
Coleridge and Wordsworth, I have always loved Edward Lear, Edgar Allen Poe, T.
S Eliot, William Blake and Robert Browning.
APRILIA ZANK: How
important is accessibility of meaning to you? Do you challenge the readers to
work hard to decipher your poems, or do you prefer transparency of meaning?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: My poems, mostly simple, can sometimes be
multi- layered and nuanced, but the underlying meaning is not difficult to decipher. I am often accused of using too much
intertextuality. Yes, it invariably creeps into my writings, but otherwise the
poems are quite transparent.
APRILIA ZANK: What kind of poems do you write mostly? Do
you have recurring themes, or are all your poems unique?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: Most of my poems are nostalgic – and I write a
lot about my childhood, my parents, and my old home. I also write a lot about
nature. A poetry book, soon to hit the market is a collection of my humorous
poems, There goes the dinner gong. Yes,
the recurring themes are of nature and nostalgia.
APRILIA ZANK: Do you think your poetry is typically
feminine / masculine? If yes, in what way?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: My poetry is not typically feminine, but yes,
I do write about women- centric issues. Recently I co- edited an anthology
Muffled Moans Unleashed: An anthology on abuse \ Gender Violence [Author press,
Delhi, India, 2018] with Lopa Banerjee, which has 150 poets from around the
world writing against child abuse and gender violence. In my editorial, I wrote
,“It is indeed a dystopian nightmare, that we see
unfolding before our eyes, where men are morphing into beasts, hurtling into
unparalleled depravity, where the diktats of patriarchy, hypocrisy and societal
inequality reigns and the screams of the girl child are throttled. Humanity
looks the other way, plugs its ears, studiously refusing to hear.”
“Let there be no more blood – drenched
sunsets, no more discordant melodies, no more dirges. Let us make things
happen. Maya Angelou’s words resound with a robust hope, that we are the
miracles who can make things happen, only when we come to it: “When we come to
it we must confess that we are the possible we are the miraculous, the true
wonder of this world/That is when and only when we come to it.” So, let us come
to it, through concerted action, relentless campaigns and unremitting crusades
setting this ugly world right.
APRILIA ZANK: Do you write mostly about yourself, or do you
also have an open eye /ear for the issues of the world?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: No, I don’t write only about myself, but I am
also concerned about the various issues facing the world. The rampant
intolerance, bigotry, unfairness,racism, hatred and rancour. I firmly believe in Martin Luther King Jr’s dictum,‘an
injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere,’ so any injustice in any
part of the world has found expression in my poetry.
In the
following poem, ‘A chunk’, I write about the evil of female infanticide.
A
Chunk
Scary silhouettes sneer, as she wipes a
tear.
Hallucinations take human form, scuttling
near.
When
the world sleeps, stealthily she creeps
from the charred embers of her mind.
Slowly, silently. On cat’s feet.
There she is; a slice of the sun,
a
chunk of the moonbeam, a throttled scream;
Shoulders stooped, eyes tear streaked,
her
tiny silhouette appears before her.
The night watches, piqued.
A mute sigh an unasked question, ‘why’?
Sounds ricocheted against the walls of her
brain.
She
clamped shut her ears, as the chorus peaked.
“Is it going to be another girl? Kill her!
Let her not be born.”
Up
went the cry, down the scalpel.
The timorous sky shuddered as another one
was murdered.
Every night she comes sobbing silently, ah
so softly;
The
unborn one, a tiny speck,
Yearning for a mama’s loving peck on her
unformed cheek,
Another on her slender neck, unformed too.
She does not speak, but those half-formed
lips
quiver with anguish, unexpressed.
The
woman reads those lips. “Why?” The tiny lips ask.
The trees outside don’t sway; they appear
rooted in a breezeless stupor.
The woman stretches her quivering arms,
but the tiny thing evanesces, dissolving
into nothingness.
The
woman’s tears had dried up long back,
but
the searing anguish remained.
A refrain filled the air. Perennially.
Killer! Killer! ‟
It
crackled at the ends of her hair.
A scraping sensation near her heart.
But that love [ah, that embryonic love!]
still throbbed, robbing her of sleep.
The guilt hammered away in her veins with
the refrain, ‘’Killer! Killer! ‟
A
phantom pain in her womb and lingering echoes.
A
wave of remorse washed over her
And she drowned
In guilt.
[This poem figures in Muffled Moans
Unleashed: An anthology on abuse \ gender violence published by Authors press, 2018]
APRILIA ZANK: In what way is your poetry different from
that of other poets?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: Every person has a different way of looking at
things, hence every person is unique. We
just cannot imagine Wordsworth writing Prufrock, or Eliot writing, The Solitary
Reaper. Every poet speaks in a voice,
unique to himself or herself. Some poets specialise in dealing unflinchingly
and relentlessly with particular issues, looking at them through a personal
lens. Some poems reflect the personal faith of the poet and for some,
confessional poetry is their forte. Some poets are known for their use of bold imagery,
unexpected line breaks, some love talking of displacement in a progressively
globalisedworld. I don’t know whether
what I write really qualifies aspoetry, because I unabashedly pour my heart out
about things I feel strongly about, and this unfettered pouring out of
emotions, might appear naïve to many.
LEYLA IŞIK: What are the main factors to make
poetry real poetry?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: What is real and what unreal, differs from
person to person. Some poets allow the
essence of their very being to be revealed in their poems, some seeking
closure, pour out their bottled up feelings in a cascading poetic eloquence,
some can be very verbose and expansive, and some resort to minimalism. What is real for one, can appear unreal to
many. To me, real poetry is when I have poured my heart out , manging to say
what I wanted to say leaving me with a
happy afterglow , and a sense of
fulfilment .
LEYLA IŞIK: Do you think imagery is important
in poetry? Where does the importance of imagery begin in a poem, where does it
end?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: For me, imagery is very important in poetry,
in fact, I cannot imagine poetry without imagery. I strongly feel that the usage of words in a
poetry should be such that it evokes a mental picture in the readers’ minds,
making all the senses of the readers to come to the fore. They should be able to ‘see’ things through
the vivid mental pictures that the poet draws.
LEYLA IŞIK:
What are the most used types of poetry in your country?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA:In India, poets feel comfortable with all types
of poetry, lately, ghazals and rhyming couplets have become quitepopular. Haiku
isalso very popular in India, and poets have started experimenting with newer
forms of poetry. Sonnets and odes are still very popular in India, but ballads
and narrative poetry seems to have taken a back seat.
LEYLA IŞIK:
What’s important to be a good poet? To write good poems!
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: I feel that a good poem should come directly
from the heart, ofcouse, for me imagery is very important. No matter what some
poets feel, for me grammatically incorrect and syntactically challenged poems can
never qualify as good poems.
LEYLA IŞIK:
Who are the most important poets and their main properties nowadays?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA: There is no dearth of poets in the present
literary scene. To name a few would
imply being unfair to those inadvertently left out. Suffice it to say, that all
poets have a distinct voice and they have manged to carve a snug niche for
themselves. Today’s world has been torn
asunder by war , intolerance , bigotry and hatred , so we find poets expressing
their anguish about war , and emphasising the importance of peace , nonviolence
, love and tolerance .Homelessness and the refugee crisis also figures a lot in
the poetry of the present poets . Gender violence \ child abuse are very
sensitive issues and lately, many anthologies have been published touching this
theme.
DEBORAH BROOKS
LANGFORD: Understanding
poetry begins with visualizing the central images in the poem. What do you see,
taste, smell, hear, and feel? What is the imagery of your poetry?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA:: My poems are steeped in nature imagery ,
because I just love nature . Let me reiterate that my heart yearns for peace,
and my eyes are always on the lookout for that tiny dove, suddenly chancing
upon a twig with a few green leaves,enough to send it into a paroxysm of a
trilling ecstasy. My ears are perennially attuned to the ripple and roar of
River Lidder of my homeland Kashmir, hoping to read in its undulations, a
message of peace and the thrush pouring her melody on the gore drenched ground
is a recurring image in my poems.
DEBORAH BROOKS
LANGFORD: What is the
mood of your poetry? (Or how does it make you feel?)
SANTOSH
BAKAYA Most of my poems are about my childhood, and
hence they make me feel nostalgic. Some deal with the myriad issues plaguing
the world, which make me introspect, others are about nature, which are very
uplifting and edifying, and leave me with a happy after glow.
DEBORAH BROOKS
LANGFORD: In your poetry
who is the speaker of the poem? Are you speaking to yourself or to others?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA::In my poetry , it is mostly I who speak ,
sometimes I speak to myself , indulging in self- introspection , sometimes I speak to others , and sometimes I
speak in the voice of others .
Sometimes, I speak through an
aborted female foetus , at other times
, I get under the skin of a rag picker,
and question the world about its injustice ,
sometimes , I am a refugee child , missing his dog, as he trudges along on strange terrain , clutching on to his parent’s
hand , wanting to know what will happen
to his pup that he left behind .
DEBORAH BROOKS
LANGFORD: What is the
message of your poetry? What messages do
your poetry convey?
SANTOSH BAKAYA: I mostly want to convey the message of peace, love
and universal harmony. Firmly believing in Gandhi’s dictum that an ‘eye for an
eye and a tooth for a tooth, will make the whole world blind,’ and Martin
Luther King’s prophetic words, ‘over the bleached bones and jumbled remains of
civilisations are written the pathetic words, ‘too late’’, I am a staunch
believer in the redemptive power of love, and am convinced that it is futile to
waste our time in hatred and animosity, when it is easier and simpler to love.Why
cry over spilt milk when everything is lost and gone down the drain? That is
the message that I want to convey through my poetry. It is indeed pathetic
that we are diving
headlong into rat races of all sorts –races of ego clashes, of weapons, of
mutual destruction, and warmongering. If this continues, we will soon find
ourselves racing brakeless, towards total annihilation. In this present topsy-
turvy world, it is normal to bludgeon a person who does not toe our line, it is
normal to clobber dissent into silence, and it is also painfully normal to
shrug off the brutal killing of children . Why should we allow brute strength to hold
sway?Why should we be forever seeing blood on the streets, and hear the sound
of war drums endlessly?
Though my poems, I try to drive
home the point that here are peace notes scattered all around us and we should
prick our ears to the sparrow’s peace song, to the dove’s peace dream and to
the child’s guileless chortle. Why
not listen to the petite flautist who sings songs of peace in dark alleys, or
the white cheeked-bulbul who belts out song after song, strewn with notes of
peace?Let us not hear the discordant sound of war drums, or a litany of woes,
but listen to the angel of peace swinging from boughs, chirping from trees, and
humming the melody of love. It is high time that
we strung those peace notes into a love song drowning all strident notes of ear-
callousing cacophony.
DEBORAH BROOKS
LANGFORD: Does the
internet and social media contribute to the success of your poetry? Is this the
reason you write for?
SANTOSH
BAKAYA:Of course, in this age of internet and social media,
whatever you write, can be read by many. With one click, one’s writings are
accessible to the world. Instant gratification and validation is of course encouraging,
but that is not the reason I write. I had this itch to write even during the
time, when there was no internet, but then, my writings would be read either by
my parents or siblings, or sometimes by my friends and teachers. But with the
coming of internet, they have a larger readership, and that of course makes one
happy. The reason I write is that I just
love to write. I would have written even
if there had been no internet, because writing for me, has proved to be
therapeutic and cathartic, I have always found it uplifting.
I want to write about everything – about the way the cat stretches itself
languorously, about the susurration of grasshoppers’ wings, playful babblers
perched atop a twig, the music of a mother’ lullabies , the ceaseless industry of ants , the falling
of autumn leaves , snow fall in my homeland, Kashmir, about the glint in the
intrepid rag picker’s eyes, clear eyed compassion, the fragile tenacity of an emaciated beggar
boy ,about the puckish smile on an elfin face , about life’s whimsicalities . I worship the incredible hues of nature’s
palette unremittingly.
I write about the gypsy woman, the vagrant cloud, the mountain peaks and I try to
resurrect the hues of my beleaguered homeland. When the world creates a
bloodcurdling cacophony of vacuous rhetoric, when it spews hate and venom, I
quickly escape into my safe haven of poetry, where I can make the words dance
to my own tune, and create a utopia, where the euphony of peace and love reigns,endlessly.
NILAVRONILL
SHOOVRO: Thank you so much dear poet for the interview. We would
like to know your personal experience with OPA as a literary web journal. Would
you like to share anything more with our readers?
SANTOSH BAKAYA OPA is
indeed a very inspiring web journal. I have been regularly submitting my poems
to the journal, where I have come across some wonderful poets. May the journal
go from strength to strength.
Dr. SANTOSH BAKAYA:
Recipient of the International Reuel Award for Writing and Literature
[2014] for her long poem Oh Hark! , The Universal Inspirational Poet Award,
2016, [conferred jointly by Pentasi B Friendship Poetry group and the Ghana
Government May 2016] has been universally acclaimed for her poetic biography of Mahatma Gandhi,
Ballad of Bapu. [Vitasta Publishers,
Delhi, 2015], The Poet Laureate Award for Ballad of Bapu, oh Hark! And Where
are the Lilacs? [Poetry Society of India, Dr. Madan Gandhi] She is an
academician - poet -essayist – novelist- Ted speaker whose three earlier
mystery novels, written as Santosh Magazine [The Mystery of the Relic, The
Mystery of the Jhalana fort and The Mystery of the Pine cottage] for young
adults, were very well received in the earlier 2000s